Will Bootstrap be dropped?

“Every bootstrap website ever!” - it’s even EASIER than that, why learn front end/gui at all? Just type Monster Template and BUY a site preFab’d and add the backend needed.

Your OP reminded me of why I stopped coding 16 years ago. It’s ALWAYS flavor of the month without compensation. Jump monkey, jump! Learn this monkey, learn this! It gets OLD really, really quick.

If we’re expected to learn new languages at this pace, companies should compensate accordingly. Upper 5, low 6 figures isn’t gonna cut it, if languages change every 6mos-year but the pay/wage-scale is static.

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So much to learn, so little time. Gotta pick and choose carefully which new techs to invest yourself into. But then again, I jsut started all of this in August, so what do I know? :grin:

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You bring up a great point: which new tech should we really be investing our time/money in? The trash heap of dead languages is festering, and bootstrap will soon be added.

On a positive note, all the BS sites will need to be ported to the new flavor of the week.

Glad you mentioned this, because i fell now that after learning a lot about html, css, scss, bootstrap, etc; Once you get to know a technology something new comes into play and thats one of the reasons i’m planning to switch to android dev were you can learn one IDE (Android Studio) and one language (Java).

I dont want to throw away all the time/effort i put into learning thos technologies but its a lot…

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omg yes. I recognize those stock photos from the project feedback forum…

It’s why I stopped coding all those years ago. I’m all for progress, but when the cheese is kept moving and no reward in sight, why learn it?

Simple-
Go to HS and get diploma = make x dollars
Go to college/university and get AA degree = make x MORE dollars
Go to college/university and get BA/BS degree = make x MORE MORE dollars
Go to college/university and get Masters = make x MORE MORE MORE dollars
Go to college/university and get PhD = make x MORE MORE MORE MORE dollars

it compounds; the more education through traditional university/college, the more you make. This is NOT true when programming. Languages change every 6mos-year, but your pay does not. In fact, it most likely will stay flat-lined forever (AFI), unless you go into biz for yourself or job hop or freelance/contract or get out of programming.

@Yoder, feel free to message me if you want to give Gulp a try. It can seem daunting, but a basic setup is pretty easy to get going.

Bootstrap can be a handy resource, but in my opinion, if you don’t know css well and you start relying on Bootstrap, you will never truly “get” css, you are likely to remain stuck an whatever your current ability level is until you start doing it yourself. Bootstrap can be a pretty helpful learning resource if you study its source code. If you complete an fcc challenge using Bootstrap, try redoing it without Bootstrap and see what you learn.

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At what point should I start using production tools like Gulp?

I’m spending this week getting a basic understanding of the breadth of CSS. I’ve finished using the position rules on my homebrew project. I’ll try Columns and Flexbox this weekend. Next week for Transforms, Transitions. Then on to JavaScript. I do FCC projects when I need to stop learning and practice for a while. So, essentially, I have a two track path: one homebrew, one FCC. When is it worth switching the homebrew to Gulp?

@Yoder, so what you’re really aiming for is to start using SCSS sooner, and Gulp is going to ‘compiling’ it for you. I can help you setup a basic config file so it all happens automatically in the background.

Learn it.

If you are starting it helps you going alot faster than coding everything by hand. This in turn leads to increased motivation and less frustration. And finally after you get a good handle on it you can start to realize some limitations leading you to want to learn the fundamentals.

Reading this thread will take longer than completing all the Bootstrap challenges :yum:

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Definitely learn bootstrap if you started it. Although having a firm grip in CSS is much much better than mostly relying on frameworks. These frameworks like bootstrap or foundation will be super easy to understand once you know your vanilla.
After css learn sass/scss or postcss. They will open a whole new world of freedom!

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