How many questions is too many?

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Hi all,
Firstly this is a subjective question so there can really be no right or wrong answer, more a topic for discussion.
I have noticed on this forum and indeed other coding forums that there is a very small minority of individuals who appear to ask so many questions that it raises several questions for me.

1 - Have you actually learned, understood, remembered anything from the course you are about to complete?
2 - Did you actually want to really learn anything from the course?
3 - Why wouldn’t you go through the course a second time or third time or as many times as needed to really learn it.
4 - Are you more interested in the certificate than the knowledge it is supposed to prove?
5 - What meaning will the certificate have when other people have done all the coding for your projects?
6 - How would you get a developer job without having access to a forum in the interview and any coding tests that might be a part of it?

It could be that coding is more of a hobby to some and they don’t intend to ever do it seriously in which case ask away, no problem.
However anyone who has even the faintest hope of becoming a pro developer surely wouldn’t be rushing for thier certificates without actually wanting to learn the code would they?
While no one could possibly take in and remember every single part of a course surely anybody serious about web dev for a career would be trying thier hardest to do exactly that.
So… how many questions is too many? How many questions show a healthy curiosity and desire to learn and how many questions show a desire to avoid the hard work and blag their way through as far as they can?
This topic is obviously not meant to single anyone out but I am curious if I am being too harsh on people or if others notice the same things

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Hi @Jaydog !

I am going to answer from my perspective as a moderator.

There are some people that will ask questions to check if they really understand the material correctly.
We will have people that will post the solution and ask “Did I do this correctly?”
Or they will ask “I got the right answer, but I don’t understand all of it”

One of things with “free” courses is that anybody can try it out.
This is great especially for those that can’t afford to pay for courses.

I think there are a lot of people that genuinely want to learn.
But with anything “free” there are always going to be some that just want to rush through and not take the time.

I think this depends on a few reasons.

If people are just checking it out, then they are probably not going to go through the course several times.

But also, we have a lot of people that will go through a course and then use other resources or build individual projects to solidify their learning.

I think there are a few categories of people here.

There are a few people that rush through the curriculum just to grab the certification.
It usually doesn’t work when they try and apply for jobs because they lack the skills.

But I honestly feel like a lot of people put the work into to learn the material and the certificate represents that achievement.

A lot of beginners will struggle to build their first projects.
I think that is why there are a lot of questions.
But I actually don’t mind that.
My job is to help where I can.

Being self taught is hard because there is not classroom and teacher or set of TA’s to help guide you along the way.
Asking a lot of questions, might be a person’s way to build the project with the help of others on the forum.

If the interview consists of typical whiteboarding problems like binary search trees, then no you wouldn’t have access to a forum.

But if the interview consists of a take home project, well then could ask the forum for help.

But at the end of the day, if you know your stuff then you will do better in the interviews.

Part of this has to do with this narrative of “learn to code in 90 days”

I think that is a huge problem in the tech world.
There is so much marketing around that.

As a result, a lot of people feel pressured to set a time limit on how quickly they should go through courses.

I also think there is a financial component.

If someone is in a position where they can drastically change their income by switching to tech then that puts pressure to learn as quickly as possible.

Yes, you will have some people that just want to rush through and take an easy route.
But I don’t think that is the majority of people.

I think some people ask a lot of questions because that’s how they learn.
In a traditional classroom environment, they would probably do the same thing.

Some people ask a lot because that is one of their ways to connect with other developers.

At the end of the day, I think a large portion of people want to learn on the forum.
When it comes to the amount of questions asked, I think it just depends on their learning style.

Some will ask a lot.
Some will ask very few.

Hope that helps! :grinning:

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Thank you for the thoughful answer.
I certainly agree that 99% of the people clearly want to learn the code. It is just maybe 1% who are perhaps more interested in a certificate than actually learning to code.
If you have to ask for help with literally every single element in a project, even the most basic things which we are taught in the first few hours then perhaps you should have been asking some questions during the course or perhaps you should do the course again and attempt the projects when you are ready.
As I said for some it may just be a hobby in which case no problem, ask as many questions as you like.
I have no problem with trying to answer thier questions either as it helps me to not forget my HTML CSS while I’m struggling to learn JS.

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I have noticed on this forum and indeed other coding forums that there is a very small minority of individuals who appear to ask so many questions that it raises several questions for me.

It’s not clear to me if you think that is a good thing or a bad thing, to ask questions. Some people ask a lot of questions because they want to know every detail, some people are content to wait and see. Some people depend heavily on the forum, others learn to be more independent and search other places. And some people are just too chicken to ask/

1 - Have you actually learned, understood, remembered anything from the course you are about to complete?

Remembered something? Of course. Remembered everything? No, no one can.

2 - Did you actually want to really learn anything from the course?

I don’t understand the premise of the question. Why would someone go to the trouble if they didn’t want to learn anything?

Is your idea that asking a lot of questions means that you are not really learning? I think there is a balance. Yeah, having everything done for you stunts learning, for sure. But so does staring at a screen, not understanding, not knowing what to do. If an answer gets them past that hump, it’s a good thing.

3 - Why wouldn’t you go through the course a second time or third time or as many times as needed to really learn it.

I’m not sure what 3 times would do. Perhaps you think that “learn it” and “memorize it” are the same thing. Your goal is not to memorize every little detail. Your goal is to learn what is possible and how things work on a higher level. Professionally developers are CONSTANTLY googling things to get the tiny details. There are too many tiny details and they keep changing - no one can memorize them all. That is an unreasonable and impossible and unnecessary expectation.

4 - Are you more interested in the certificate than the knowledge it is supposed to prove?

Me, no. For me the certificates were milestones.

5 - What meaning will the certificate have when other people have done all the coding for your projects?

Is this related to people asking questions? That is a big leap from “you asking questions” to “other people have done all the coding for your projects”. There is A LOT of territory in between those two.

6 - How would you get a developer job without having access to a forum in the interview and any coding tests that might be a part of it?

In my experience, interviewers are more interested in knowledge of concepts and what you can figure out. Granted, if someone has to google how a for loop works, they aren’t going to get the job, but they are not expected to know everything.

The best way to figure out what they want in interviews is to do some. Or read where people have talked about their interviews.

It could be that coding is more of a hobby to some and they don’t intend to ever do it seriously in which case ask away, no problem.

Again, you seem to be drawing an unfounded conclusion, that people asking questions mean that they aren’t taking this seriously. There are a lot of people on this forum that asked questions and became professional developers - I’m one of them.

As a former educator, the students of mine that asked the most questions tended to be the most interested and the most engaged and tend to be my best students. You seem to have come to the opposite conclusion of my decades of experience.

However anyone who has even the faintest hope of becoming a pro developer surely wouldn’t be rushing for thier certificates without actually wanting to learn the code would they?

I “rushed” through my certs, finished them all in 4.5 months (this is the old curriculum, pre-Python) - I gather that is a pretty quick time. What do you mean by “rushing”? I “rushed” in the sense that I wanted to complete it quickly. I didn’t “rush” in the sense of not caring if I Iearned or not.

While no one could possibly take in and remember every single part of a course surely anybody serious about web dev for a career would be trying thier hardest to do exactly that.

I disagree with that statement completely. What experience of yours is this based on? My experience is the exact opposite. My experience is to just learn and build things. The details are findable - google, Stack Overflow, documentation. If you use something a lot, it naturally starts to stick in your memory. But I don’t recommend anyone purposely trying to memorize stuff. Anything you might need to memorize, will naturally stick in your memory from use, anyway.

When I started my first job, I had to learn how to do Jest tests. So I read a page or two in the documentation each night. But I wasn’t trying to memorize anything. I was trying to familiarize myself with what was available and some of the concepts. When I needed details, I knew I could find them in the docs. As I wrote tests, some things naturally stuck in my memory. I never tried to memorize anything. I’m also glad to say that at that job I kind of became one of the “Jest gurus”, so I must have been doing something right.

So… how many questions is too many? How many questions show a healthy curiosity and desire to learn and how many questions show a desire to avoid the hard work and blag their way through as far as they can?

That is the first question you’ve asked that I can sink my teeth into, in which I don’t disagree with the premise.

Yeah, I see a few campers that ask every single question, wanting everything spoon fed to them. I sometimes try to steer them in the direction of learning to search in outside sources. But in my three years on the FCC forum, I can probably count on my fingers the number of people that I would say fall into that category - that’s out of thousands of campers.

I certainly agree that 99% of the people clearly want to learn the code. It is just maybe 1% who are perhaps more interested in a certificate than actually learning to code.

On what do you base this conclusion, that they are more interested in the certificates? Maybe they like the certificates because they are milestones in their learning? Personally, I think that is the only value of these certificates, but that does not make them worthless. I certainly felt some pride as I earned each certificate. People like rewards, it fires off dopamine in their lizard brains. It’s gamification. It’s just how human beings are wired.

I’m also very proud of my MA in music. I proudly hang my degree. Receiving that was one of the proudest days of my life. But if I had to choose between the piece of paper or the knowledge/experience, there would be no choice, not even close.

If you have to ask for help with literally every single element in a project, even the most basic things which we are taught in the first few hours then perhaps you should have been asking some questions during the course or perhaps you should do the course again and attempt the projects when you are ready.

This seems to really bother you. Yeah, I guess it bugs me a little too. But I also don’t lose sleep over it. If I see someone that I think is “overasking”, then I try to hint that they maybe should back up a little or learn to search outside sources.

I had a friend decades back. Whenever he got a new video game, the first thing he’d do is look up the cheat codes. That just blew my mind. But hey, it’s his game, it’s his life, let him do it the way he wants.

If people want to rely on the forum more than I think they should, it’s their life, they can do what they want. I can suggest that maybe they are relying too much, but ultimately it’s their life. If it bugs me, I can just start ignoring their threads. I’ve had to do that a few times, very few times.

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This seems like a “venting” thread about those who use the forum to ask a large number of questions.

Such situations can be frustrating, where it seems like those asking questions aren’t actually “learning” or “remembering” or “trying” or just plain being lazy.

However I would not jump to any of those conclusions due to a number of reasons.

  1. The best developers ask questions, they ask a lot of questions.

I would never purposely try to prevent those trying to learn from being curious. This is what general education usually does where if you ask too many questions your seen as “disruptive”. Structured education can prevent the curious from seeking out what they desire, from knowledge, the arts, the sciences, or just plain being curious about something they find interesting.
Its easier to teach a monolithic body of students than a bunch of people with their own desires and interests, but you wont get uniform performance from everyone because everyone is different.
The last thing I’d want is someone to start thinking asking questions = bad, or not knowing something = bad, or some other similar thing.
There’s a lot to learn out there, if one plans on being a developer, asking questions and being curious can be the “fuel” that can keep one going. The last thing I’d want is to extinguish that fire, because negativity is stronger than positivity and that fire is very hard to relight once snuffed out.

  1. Its true asking a large amount of questions usually means you don’t fully understand the material, except few actually ask questions about it.

Most don’t ask anything because they don’t want to seem “stupid”. Going back to the previous point about how one can seem “disruptive”, there’s always those but no one wants to look “stupid” by asking the obvious questions to verify they understand. The same is true for online platforms, where you can leverage some anonymity to ask questions you wouldn’t ask if you would feel more judged. At the end of the day you need to know, you also might not know how to ask, regardless the goal is to get you that information.
Its also true that asking large amounts of questions to your peers isn’t the most optimal way to gather new information. It usually is the result of the desire to “learn from the experts”, when really the most beneficial approach is to learn from what the “experts” learned. As the saying goes:
“Don’t follow the footsteps of the masters, seek what they sought”
This does lead to the next point:

  1. Asking questions is a skill in itself, like any skill it take some time and practice.

Its easy to ask your peers about something, and keep asking. Its easier to ask a fellow human and leverage their experience rather than to formulate the correct query to enter into the knowledge bank of humanity Google.

Going back to the first point. Asking questions is required to be a developer, however the most experienced developers will tell you, its all about “just googling it”. For those without that skill, your left with asking your fellow humans, here or elsewhere.

  1. Finally, probably the most important point is there is a choice of action. The end goal of trying to help is to help (duh).

If you are unable to help, unwilling to help, or too tired to continue to help, there is no law/requirement saying you are forced to help. This forum in particular, basically everyone is a volunteer. If you are unable or unwilling to help further, take the first 3 points into account and remove yourself from the situation as nicely as possible, with leaving some possible “further reading” material to at least leave something to continue learning about.

This forum also caters to a specific crowd of user’s who will be more bound to ask large amounts of questions, there’s an even larger crowd you don’t ask anything ever, and an even larger crowd that doesn’t make it far enough to formulate a question. Such is the nature of a free platform, there is no risk is failing except the time and energy spent.

Understanding and remembering that means those left over asking questions aren’t in those first group, nor are they in the “google-fu-masters” who can formulate their own queries into an AI overlord Google to find the answers they seek because they know their question.

That still leaves a large gap of stuff to learn and experience to gain just to “google-it” correctly, and such there can be a large crowd of those asking those questions.

Again, just do your best and do what you can, or do nothing in terms of helping others if you can’t. Ultimately the answer to “how many questions are too many”, the answer is none, there is no limit. However there is a limit to how much one can answer, and that limit is up to those giving the answers and their time.

Keep building, keep learning, keep helping if you do desire :+1:

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This was my situation when I started my first part time dev job.

I was so afraid to ask my boss any questions because I didn’t want him to think I couldn’t do the job.
Even though he said it was completely fine to ask.

I think a lot of juniors feel that way.
We just want to prove that we can do it without help.

But sometimes asking questions saves a lot of time and prevents you from running around in circles.

Now I feel more comfortable asking questions.
A lot of times I will ask questions to clarify what my assignment actual is.

I don’t want go down the wrong path if I misunderstood the assignment :joy:

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Very interesting responses to this topic and I hope there are more to come. I expected some strong opinions and disagreements and perhaps some to project thier own irritation at this topic onto me, this is normal human behaviour.
This is definately not as some would choose to see it a frustration filled venting thread. If I was irritated by people who ask lots of questions I would simply not answer them… problem solved.
Far from irritate me they intrigue me as psychology is and has been a life long interest of mine and is actually where my highest qualifications lay. That very much includes what motivates people.
Infact I strongly disagree with some of the labels I see used on coding sites and forums, example the odin project has a link to an article about “help vampires” which I couldn’t disagree with more.
https://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/
I personally am very happy to try and answer as many questions as anyone wants to ask however my opinion remains that if people are not understanding what they are learning then why not ask questions then and give yourself a fighting chance rather than saving them all up and asking them all at once.
If something is hard to understand on it’s own then it is infinitely more difficult when pilled up with 50 other difficult things, that is basic common sense.

The fact that someone would ask no questions while going through an entire course and then ask 50 of them solely when doing the exam is not the least bit conducive to learning or understanding but it is very conducive to getting that certificate. Scientists study these things though I am not going to start linking to dozens of peer reviewed studies to prove the obvious. Also the fact that someone is asking 50 questions suggests that they are not too shy or intimidated to ask.

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I think you are making a big assumption there. Someone may not ask for help during the challenges because they each come with their own little explanation and example and narrow focus. That is VERY different than building a web site from scratch. That is a terrifying transition for a lot of people. Personally, those questions bother me a lot less.

But part of this process is learning how to become a web dev, to wean off the “crutch” of FCC’s “follow the bouncing ball” approach.

And again, as a professional developer, we end up googling things many times a day. That is how this works. There is too much to memorize. Part of being a good web developer is asking questions. I don’t see what the big difference is between asking the FCC forum or asking Stack Overflow or googling Stack Overflow for someone that asked the same question. Learning how to ask and frame questions is an extremely important skill. Often as I’m writing up a question to ask (on SO or for the devs with whom I work), the simple task of putting my thoughts into words leads me to the answer, or at least a different way to look at the problem.

When I was in the office, a couple times a day I would turn to one of the 3 other devs in the cluster and ask them if this was the best approach, is there a better way, why isn’t this working, where do I find this… And they would do the same. This isn’t a bad thing. That is being part of a team, a village. Now that I am working online, we do it over slack. I don’t see the big difference between doing that online and doing it in person.

And if you notice, many of us, when answering questions will try to steer people to the right path. When I answer a question, often I will explain how I got there, I will link to the resources I used (like a SO or MDN article). Sometimes I don’t even tell them the answer but give them a hint, “If you put this log statement in, you should see the problem…” If people are asking too many questions in a row on a project, I might start to steer them towards researching through more traditional dev methods.

But the idea that because a dev doesn’t have every fact in their memory, then they can’t be a good dev - I find that ridiculous. I can never remember the difference between slice and splice. I have to look them up every time. Does that make me a bad dev? No. Why don’t I have them memorized? Because I don’t use them that much. Things like map, reduce, filter, etc. - those I have memorized because I use them all the time. Not because I tried to memorize them, just because I use them so often.

Scientists study these things though I am not going to start linking to dozens of peer reviewed studies to prove the obvious.

I have to roll my eyes whenever anyone says, “I have science-y stuff on my side, trust me”. If you have a scientific study that studied the affects of asking questions while learning web development in an online self-paced, self-evaluated environment, then I’d love to see even 1 of them - I don’t need dozens.

And for the record, there are no “peer reviewed studies to prove the obvious”. If it’s obvious, then there is no need to prove it - it means that all reasonable and informed people can agree on it. They don’t do peer reviewed studies to prove that cows have legs.

At this point I would want to know what your background is. You have some very strong opinions about about how web dev should be taught. Looking at some of your questions on the forum, I’m going to guess that you’re not a professional developer (yet). Are/were you a professional educator? Where is this coming from?

I might suggest to worry more about your path, and not others. Just learn for yourself. If other are learning in a way that you think is less than ideal, then that is fine - it’s not your job to “fix” them. And I might suggest that once you become a web dev, you might find that “asking questions” and “looking things up” are a lot more important than you realize.

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I dont think the amount of questions is of essence, but the type of questions. very often courses doesnt really cover completely a subject, or rely on peope to learn few rules without the background. This can lead in opening many questions in a newbie. Of coarse there are many ways of handling those questions. You might go back in the lessons and look whether you missed something; you might google the topic; you might put your question here on the forums, which allows you to be more specific and get a more specific answer.
Now there are the kind of people, which you prolly aim your topic at, whom are not willing to put any or sufficient enough effort in their work and live by the belief, why do it themselves, if someone else can do it for them. They dont value the path towards a goal and what they earn of it(everything) and only value the finish line and think by reaching it, they have achieved something. Yes i have seen such examples and i recall very clearly a topic not long ago, centered about certain person project, who consistently placed every small progress(or struggle) on his project and asked of peers, very selfish, to solve all his issues, assuming they have no better job to do, or anyone is supposed to. Not only that, but the said person had little ability to actually take of what he has been offered, the comprehensive explanation of contributors, and their effort went mostly to waste. The said topic content reached long length and was a detailed map of how the project was completed, from scratch to a something resembling what the challenge was about, wrote 90% by the forum contributors.
Its not the problem in the people who would use others people work. They wont open this thread and wont read more than a line, nore put themselves in such cathegory. The problem is those who would let their effort go to people that dont deserve it. We can only do as much as try to show the right path, but its on the receiving side to fell in the path and its up to us to retreat our effort if we notice its not taken in the appropriate manner.

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We occasionally get help vampires on this forum, but our classification of such is a bit different, as we encourage users to ask as many questions as they feel comfortable with asking. But we definitely sometimes have users that ask questions instead of reasoning about the problem and struggling with their problem solving skills.

:man_shrugging: I just answer questions about code on here. I help as long as I’m enjoying interacting with the person on the other keyboard, and I’m totally ok seeing people ask as many or as few questions as they need, so long as they are working together with me towards understanding instead of using me to get answers and do the work for them.

But most people on here are trying really hard, and I’m happy to try really hard alongside them.

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@Jaydog, my advice would be to not get involved in a thread if you think you might be too harsh. I’ll be honest, sometimes I am guilty of this and I either catch myself before I post something I’ll regret or I end up apologizing after the fact. There are a ton of people here who love to answer questions so if you think you can’t answer without being too harsh then I would just not answer.

A free forum like this is going to attract a wide array of people with a broad range of reasons for wanting to learn this stuff. Who are we to tell them how they should learn.

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I think a lot of this has to deal with the language barrier too.
I think Quincy said that only a small percentage (like 30-35%) are based in English speaking countries like the U.S.

But there is a large population of people that come from Europe, Asia, Africa, etc.

So if English is not someone’s first language or if they know very little English then it is probably really hard for them to ask questions.

They probably wanted to join earlier and ask but they were really scared too.

But once they joined, a lot of them will feel comfortable finally asking the questions they were to scared to ask earlier.

So that could explain the flood of questions from a user.

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Fair point but no this topic has nothing to do with the way I answer someones question, I answer peoples questions in the same way whether it is thier first ever question or thier 50th and my high ratio of solutions to posts I think confirms that.
My feelings on whether someone might be relying on others a little too much never come into the equation when it comes to answering thier questions.
As I mentioned earlier, if I found someone irritating I simply wouldn’t answer thier questions, it solidifies and improves my own knowledge to answer peoples questions so I am very happy to do so but as a student of human behaviour I cannot help but observe it.

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I will admit there have been times when I think people are basically asking the forum to do their work for them. I don’t notice this as much with the FCC material as much as people that have some pet project, clearly have not studied the FCC material or much other material and are trying to get us to fix their project for them one step at a time, that seems to go on forever because they have no idea what is going on. Yeah, that gets on my nerves. I can’t remember seeing that much in the FCC material though. There was one recently - I just started pointing out ways they could find the answers themselves and stressed how important learning to look for answers is for web dev.

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I agree with your points.
I personally think help vampires is a horrible term to label someone with just for asking questions. However as you have clearly observed there are a tiny amount of people who seem to ask for the answer before attempting to reason for themselves.

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Fair points, definately some truth to that.

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This is the first time we agree
“I will admit there are times when I think people are basically asking the forum to do thier work for them.”
I have always said it is a tiny percentage I am talking about, people who ask the question before attempting to think for themselves. I say these things not to put people down or because they annoy me but because I would like to see people do as well as possible and asking for the answer before attempting it yourself I don’t believe is in thier own best interests.
I am nearly 50 and I still experiment with new ways to learn things as I still havn’t completely worked out what’s best for me in every circumstance and I have spent many years trying.
I know I am not alone in that and I remain convinced that a tiny minority are not acting in thier own best interests by asking for help before theyv’e had a decent try themselves.
However I will never be the one to tell them that as I am no ones mother or master

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I’m not sure where this topic is going at this point?

Asking questions is good.

Not everyone feels comfortable asking questions, and that is fine.

We certainly cannot draw any conclusions about anyone based on how many questions they ask.

Some small number of people abuse the generosity of others.

Everyone should participate in the ways that they like on the forum so long as they are being kind.

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Well, the people that annoy me are the people that clearly don’t want to learn. Or people that have plagiarized. In my anecdotal experience, having been active on the forum for 4.5 years now, I can count those on my fingers.

There may additionally be some that are doing themselves a disservice by not learning the “right” way. I try to steer them in the right direction, but at some point you just have to roll your eyes and wish them luck. I’m not going to get bent out of shape over it.

I know I am not alone in that and I remain convinced that a tiny minority are not acting in thier own best interests by asking for help before theyv’e had a decent try themselves.

Sure. Yeah. If you notice when I’m in a thread, I (and others) often will try to gently chide them for that and steer them towards branching out and being more independent. But for some people, that is not natural for them and they are still scared about all this so you do it gently.

But I’m not going to get bent out of shape about it. Most of the people that start FCC I assume won’t finish - I don’t have data here, I’m just guessing. And an even smaller percentage will become developers.

I used to see it as a professional musician - people that love the dream of being a musician but didn’t want to put in the time or effort. I might give a suggestion, but ultimately they are in charge of living their life, not me. If they were a student, that’s a little bit different, but still, people are going to do what they’re going to do.

Unless we (FCC) start instituting some qualification test and progress reports and start checking up on people (and I hope we don’t), there will always be people that misuse this material. There will be people that just want to skim through it and learn as little as possible. Whatever floats their boat. But there are far, far, far more people that get value from this, even the ones that don’t become devs. I myself learned to be a dev and at 49 got a new job with a huge pay increase. I might have been able to do it without FCC, but I think it would have been a lot harder and taken longer. I’m not going to let the fact that 0.1% people don’t use it properly get me down. I really just don’t care. I try to help them a little, but in the end, it’s their life and I can’t help them. I worry about the 99.9% that I can help. That is where my focus and energy is.

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Agree with most of what you said.
I think asking questions is a good thing but it should not be our first go to option before attempting to answer the question ourselves. You can tell to some degree by the questions people ask as well as the quantity how much of the course they have learned.
If I see some one attempting a project but they are asking how to make a font bigger and change it’s color I cannot help but feel they would be better off going through the course once more